Talk:20th Street North

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Birmingham Green

  • I might be mistaken, but I thought that the Green was extended from 20th Street North southward to the Five Points area within the last decade. That's why I only linked to it from this article when I created it. --Wheresdib 11:57, 27 February 2007 (PST)
  • You may be right. In which case we might distinguish between the original project and the extension in the text of the two 20th street articles. My thinking was that there was such an overlap that it made sense to discuss the project in the street article. However, besides the overbleed into 20th St S, there is also the strange result that "20th Street North" shows up in the Category:1973 works. Lets both keep our minds open to the best solution. --Dystopos 12:14, 27 February 2007 (PST)

Tutwiler Hotel

  • I thought that the Tutwiler Hotel was on the east side of the street (where the Regions Plaza, their old HQ, is now). The 430 street address puts it on the west side, where the Wachovia Tower is now. --Wheresdib 15:43, 7 March 2007 (PST)
The 430 address came from a 1946 Jaycee's promotional directory. Pretty much any other solid reference is more likely to be correct... if we have one. --Dystopos 15:57, 7 March 2007 (PST)
  • I'll walk by the monument tomorrow (maybe I'll remember to take my camera) and see if it has any references to it. --Wheresdib 17:21, 7 March 2007 (PST)

Short 20th St

In looking at old maps researching Park Place, I noticed the 1880's to 1903 maps of Birmingham show 20th Street splitting into East and West 20th Streets on both sides of Capitol Park. (They're sometimes also labeled East and West Park Streets.) Because of the early dates, I'm unsure whether this represents reality or just the plans at the time. Obviously, East Park/20th, if it ever was a full street -- and I believe it probably was -- is now just a sidewalk. If you look at the 1951 aerial photo of "Birmingham Downtown," it was just a sidewalk by then. It probably deserves some more research, though. --Lkseitz 10:58, 20 February 2008 (PST)


If someone has time, I wonder if there's an easy way to separate the addresses into two columns, one for the east side of the street and one for the west. --Dystopos 11:36, 14 May 2008 (PDT)

  • If I knew how to make columns, I would. --Wheresdib 11:42, 14 May 2008 (PDT)

Cafe Italiano

The address--400 20th St--lists it as the former site of Cafe Italiano. This was the best Italian restaurant in Birmingham in the '60s and into the '70s. It was run by the Williams family (I went to school with Bobby Williams). They absolutely had the best pizza I've ever had--a very rich, dark,, almost bitter sauce and Italian sausage that was to die for. The restaurant was located in a dark, atmospheric downstairs area, so it was a thrill for a young teenager to venture down there. For a time, there was also a Cafe Italiano in East Lake, but I don't know if that one lasted very long. Can anyone tell me when the downtown location closed? --ExPat 10:39, 16 April 2010