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Hello and welcome to Bhamwiki. We're really excited to see your contributions. If you haven't already, please read our User agreement and then feel free to dive in. --Dystopos 09:06, 10 August 2006 (PDT)


  • Great work on filling in some big gaps with the bank articles. There's nothing I love more than seeing the wiki grow. I'm curious about Colonial Bank's history in Birmingham - did it absorb a local bank or just open a bunch of branches here? Since it's not based in the "District", we need to make sure to emphasize the local ties. --Dystopos 10:55, 6 October 2006 (PDT)
  • That's why I included the "several offices in the Metro area" blurb. If I am not mistaken, Colonial expanded into Birmingham several decades ago, but I am not sure if it absorbed any existing banks. This is one of the few local banks that I haven't worked for, so I don't know all of the history. I will expand the article and do more research later. Right now I am trying to hit all the banks that have a presence in Birmingham. --Wheresdib 11:00, 6 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Godspeed. --Dystopos 11:09, 6 October 2006 (PDT)
  • OK, I found a list of mergers and acquisitions for Colonial and added the first one I could tell was a Birmingham bank. I have also added a good number of the banks to the wiki, and will continue next week hopefully. --Wheresdib 14:32, 6 October 2006 (PDT)


The explanation is at Bhamwiki:Copyrights. Short version is that we're claiming a "Fair Use" under US Copyright law to reproduce logos, book covers, album covers, and magazine covers (at screen resolution) to illustrate articles on those topics. Any other work that is protected by copyright (which is pretty much anything published after 1923, with certain exceptions) can't be legally reproduced here without express permission. Because this encyclopedia is itself published under a free license, we should avoid reproducing work that has not been released under compatible terms (e.g. users of BhamWiki should be able to appropriate material for their own use). Therefore if you wish to upload your own work, it is most welcome. You will be given credit, but you will lose other rights by publishing it under the CC license. You can read the full text by clicking the link in the {{CC Image}} tag. --Dystopos 14:46, 23 October 2006 (PDT)


Darren, I'm glad to see you're using redirects to try to make Bhamwiki a better research tool, but I thought I'd give a pointer about circular redirects. An entry should not link to a redirect page that points back to that same page. Altenate names should generally appear in bold. For example, once you created the Banco Hispanico and Bank of Alabama redirects, it created two circular links on the CapitalSouth Bank page, which I've now fixed by bolding them. You might want to read the Wikipedia page on redirects. All the Wikipedia specifics don't apply here, of course, but it gives a lot of good advice. I look forward to reading more of your bank entries. --Lkseitz 15:08, 24 October 2006 (PDT)

  • Thanks, Lee... I was trying to get rid of all the redirects as I was doing the pages for the defunct banks, I just missed those. I appreciate the reminder though, I am new to all this wiki stuff, so just bear with me. --Wheresdib 19:34, 24 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Ya'll make me so proud with your seriousness. We should get together for a drink sometime. On me of course. --Dystopos 20:55, 24 October 2006 (PDT)
  • you name the Starbucks and the time and I'll be there ;) --Wheresdib 06:42, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Given I'm 100 miles away, I guess I'll have to take a raincheck for now. --Lkseitz 07:49, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

To graduate (from)

  • Your minor edit to Alan Jacobs prompted me to refer to the dictionary. You will be gratified to know that 77% of American Heritage Dictionary's "Usage Panel" objects, with you, to the construction "She graduated Yale in 1998", preferring "She graduated from Yale in 1998" which has an 89% vote of approval. The etymologically correct usage, of course, would be "She was graduated from Yale in 1988", but that archaism enjoys only 78% of the panel's approval. Thanks for straightening me out. --Dystopos 15:00, 7 November 2006 (PST)
  • I take no pleasure in "correcting" you. I have never heard anyone say "I graduated Yale in 1988". I just assumed it was a minor typo. --Wheresdib 15:06, 7 November 2006 (PST)
  • I don't know where I pick up these things, but I remembered that "I graduated from Yale" wasn't, in some sense, correct. I now realize that the sense in which it is not correct belongs to the distant past. --Dystopos 15:31, 7 November 2006 (PST)

November 11

I won't be around much for a week or so... we're going to Michigan to tie the knot in front of the fiance's family, will be back on Monday! --Wheresdib 22:06, 8 November 2006 (PST)

  • Congratulations! --Dystopos 22:07, 8 November 2006 (PST)

Names in Categories

  • I didn't realize we were using the full name when we are categorizing people. I did notice that WP does it that way but hadn't seen it here on BW. I apologize for the cleanup you're having to do. --Wheresdib 11:50, 27 December 2006 (PST)
  • No problem. I only just noticed it with the recent race car drivers entries. We do it because it assures a logical system to the sorting in the category. Using single letters you could wind up with the Allisons, for example, in any random order. (I believe.) --Lkseitz 11:59, 27 December 2006 (PST)
  • Just to clarify, it's not necessary to pipe the article name after a category for sorting most of the time. For example, "Amani Raha" will automatically be sorted by that name. Sorting is primarily for people's names so they can be sorted "Last_name, First_name" instead of by the article name ("First_name Last_name"). Another special case is articles that are primary for a category (for example Cobb Lane (street)) should use "*" as the sorting character so they show up at the top of the articles in the category. In 99.9% of the cases, this should only apply to one article in the category. And there's the weirdness User:Dystopos does with street numbers and street categories, but I won't get into that discussion again here. :-) --Lkseitz 13:36, 2 January 2007 (PST)
  • Thanks... I was testing it to see what difference it made in articles that start with the same letter as where they need to be sorted. That makes sense on the "*" thing, and I have used it in the past with my bank articles. Again, thanks for being patient and know that I am learning. --Wheresdib 13:55, 2 January 2007 (PST)

Bear Bryant

You're welcome. I hate it when that happens. (You lose all your changes.) --Lkseitz 14:59, 26 January 2007 (PST)


  • I would prefer if we could find a photo of him that the photographer could release specifically for our use. I am planning to start allowing copyrighted photos that are accompanied by specific permission (though it hasn't yet been implemented and would not affect fair use where no permission is given). Once that's in place, maybe the Baron's office would let us use a promotional shot. I'll leave this one up until we have something better or until someone asks for it to be removed. --Dystopos 11:55, 31 January 2007 (PST)


  • This might be a case where the article about the city goes at Tuscaloosa, with a disambiguation link at the top ("For other uses, see Tuscaloosa (disambiguation)"). From there we could link the county, the indian chief, Tuscaloosa Avenue, etc). --Dystopos 08:44, 14 February 2007 (PST)

Most wanted

  • The new version of MediaWiki adds a list of most-redlinked articles (Special:Wantedpages) which might be useful to you. It masks our progress, of course, so it lacks the pleasing blue of Special:Mostlinked, but I thought I'd let you know. --Dystopos 14:38, 26 February 2007 (PST)


  • The international standard I am following uses periods only when the omitted letters are at the end of the word. So Dr, Mrs, Mr, Sr, Mtn, and Rd would not get periods, but initials and abbreviations with letters omitted at the end would. (Prof., Esq., Capt., Cir.). If it's all too confusing, then use whatever you like and don't be surprised if I scurry around behind you exercising my strange whims at will. --Dystopos 09:56, 28 February 2007 (PST)
    • I overstated when I said there was a standard. In fact, there is only inconsistency. Wikipedia covers the issue here. It would seem I am most closely following the style of The Economist. --Dystopos 10:33, 28 February 2007 (PST)


  • I did a search for 1998 on the site and just kept clicking on "next 20". --Dystopos 13:23, 27 March 2007 (PDT)


  • Thanks for noticing that faux-pas. I've been lax on checking contributions. --Dystopos 15:33, 29 November 2007 (PST)

Template for Reservoirs of the Coosa River

  • Lee, can you create a template for Reservoirs of the Coosa River, based on the chart at the bottom of the page of the Lake Mitchell article? I'd like it to look it a template before I add it to the Lay Lake article, plus it might tempt me to write the articles for the other reservoirs. --Wheresdib 07:10, 19 January 2008 (PST)
    • How about one for the whole Coosa River? It still needs many additions, but I don't know enough about the river and which features are in the Birmingham district to make them. In addition to what is visible, there's a placeholder for tributaries. --Lkseitz 11:46, 20 January 2008 (PST)

Magic hat

Thanks. They say that the best magic is mostly redirection. --Dystopos 14:26, 29 January 2008 (PST)

extraneous '

  • Sometimes I think we should consider an article on "extraneous 's's" in Birmingham. How many times do you hear people talk about going to "Rojo's" or "La Cocina's" ? It's endemic. --Dystopos 05:51, 1 February 2008 (PST)
  • I was in Scott's Koneys today, and there were several signs with the extraneous '... No Cell Phone's, Menu's, Special's.... ugh. --Wheresdib 06:44, 1 February 2008 (PST)

On 1963

Thank you so much I was just trying to see what I could find on Google so I do appreciate it. Artsojourner 17:02, 18 February 2008 (PST)

On Burrows

I didn't realize that he was an infamous bankrobber Sweet! Thanks for adding the information I wish there were pics in some archives that one could paste here of all the former establishments. 08:16, 20 February 2008 (PST)

On Club 21

I don't think I would call what you did to the article whitewashing because whitwashing means covering something up. What actually happened here is that you stripped it of any relevance. Now it sounds just ho hum and thats sad. Lets keep working on it because this is one phase in Birmingham past where it was avant garde and at the forefront and not a follower. I think that is important. "Goth" night never aspired to keeping it the status Quo. Clipping the mixed part where everyone regardless of color, sexuality or whatever makes it appear just like every other place in B'ham and we know thats not reality. I looked for local newspaper clippings about this article but didn't find any but I will continue to look. Please do the same if you have resources to do so. I should go look up some pictures from then. Maybe we should work on an article about "Birmingham Goth movement. I bet I could come up with some info. Artsojourner 10:38, 22 February 2008 (PST)

  • I am trying to rewrite it so that it is encyclopedic. You can't make claims without a source, not on here. We allow some original research, but mainly for info that is factual. Just about everything you write has a slant to it, and while there's nothing wrong with that, it is hard to let opinions stay unsourced. I looked for articles on Club 21 and couldn't find any. It isn't perfect, and it isn't necessarily right, but we have to be unbiased on here. --Wheresdib 10:44, 22 February 2008 (PST)
  • I'm not sure if we'll ever find the sources we would need to really write up what Artsojourner wants. But then again we might be lucky and find a profile in a counterculture zine or something that writes up exactly what's missing. Another possible route is to wrote something more personal for another publication (a blog, or The Terminal or something) and then link from here to that piece. The purpose in keeping BhamWiki neutral and sourced is so that it can be trusted just as much by people who are coming from a completely different perspective. Everyone can agree on the address, the owner, and club policies. Reasonable people might differ on the value of the club to local culture. --Dystopos 13:20, 22 February 2008 (PST)

On Simonton

Its been many years now but I think Fun&Stuff or maybe Black and White ran the article about the neighborss outrage I think its funny story but the house is actually a very handsome house and very Simonton. I'll leave it at that. Artsojourner 12:49, 6 April 2008 (PDT)

On Frohock

She taught art at UAB and was a formidable teacher. She is best known for bringing the idea of Book Arts to the forefront in the south.

On her personal work, some of her books were so large one could literally walk into them. Awesome! They impressed on me how important the idea of a book could be and likely why I work with them today. Artsojourner 11:44, 23 February 2008 (PST)

For Redirects

Thank you so much I do appreciate that. Artsojourner 20:48, 9 March 2008 (PDT)

Light rail

Thanks for the compliments on the article :) I'm a bit of a transit junkie and have been wanting to put an article together on the various light rail/streetcar proposals for quite some time now. Check that one of the list! Patriarca12 20:30, 5 May 2008 (PDT)

David Neal

You scooped me. --Dystopos 14:53, 12 May 2008 (PDT)

Brandee Skinner

  • Keepin' up with the times --Dystopos 14:47, 14 May 2008 (PDT)

Linearstone et al

I knew I was procrastinating on cleaning up those articles for a reason. --Wheresdib 08:28, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

  • Mikey? That's me. What the heck am I talking about? Well....

"What's this stuff?"
"Some article that needs work. It's supposed to be a valuable addition to BhamWiki."
"Are you gonna fix it?""
"I'm not gonna fix it! You fix it!"
"I'm not gonna fix it."
"Let's get Lee, he'll fix anything."
:-) --Lkseitz 10:24, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

Your opinion?

We are anxiously awaiting your opinion at Talk:Alabama Wildlife Center. --Wheresdib 18:37, 6 August 2008 (PDT)

  • Yeah, I know. I'm trying to figure out what it is. --Lkseitz 19:51, 6 August 2008 (PDT)

Eddie Kendrick photo

You asked me waaay back in April for permission to upload my photo of the Eddie Kendrick statue. Cheerfully granted, if you still want it. I'll upload it as eddieKendrick.jpg. -- Rob 06:55, 20 August 2008 (PDT)

On Strudwick

Thanks man for helping me out here. I knew her by both but most knew her as only Ross. namaste. Artsojourner 19:39, 28 November 2008 (PST)


Yep, you figured me out. --Wheresdib 15:02, 21 January 2009 (PST)

  • That must make your geocaching activities a real challenge. :-) --Lkseitz 15:20, 21 January 2009 (PST)

Council seats

My statement about the Irondale council is purely assumption. We were pretty specific about who represented the 7 districts in the previous incarnation of the Irondale article, and their current website is pretty specific about the five current districts. I'd like to find out when and how they made the change and put it in an Irondale City Council article. --Dystopos 15:49, 3 March 2009 (PST)

  • No no. It's me being shoddy and assumptive. --Dystopos 19:08, 3 March 2009 (PST)

Re: Fire Station Images

I had already obtained permission from Dave Sibley, proprietor of, regarding them. He told me it was fine as long as we kept the "" notation on them. I still have the e-mail I just wasn't sure how to notate that with the images. I obtained the image:RetiredFireStation11.jpg from the Birmingham IFFA Local 117 but I still have to find out who to contact about using an image from their archives. It will be taken down until such time as I have obtained permission. --Jared Johnson 11:31AM, 21 April 2009 (EDT)


I know that, honest I do. Even before I heard this song. The fingers sometimes type faster than the brain can follow, though. Thanks. --Lkseitz 14:03, 24 September 2009 (PDT)

  • It's one of my pet peeves. No offense. I always get hung up on "i before e except after c". --Wheresdib 12:05, 25 September 2009 (PDT)
    • You want to know how useful "I before E" is? Look at my last name! :-) --Lkseitz 12:31, 25 September 2009 (PDT)


Thanks for categorizing Friends of Mountain Brook Villages for me. I realized later in the evening I'd forgotten to do it, but then forgot again by the time I was back in front of a computer. --Lkseitz 12:05, 9 December 2009 (PST)

Overdue award

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This award is given on March 19, 2010 in recognition of and appreciation for your continued hard work on behalf of BhamWiki. Thank you. --Dystopos 06:17, 19 March 2010 (PDT)

Banks and investment banks and securities firms and investment advisors

  • I don't know enough to distinguish these sorts of entities. Could you help categorize some existing articles appropriately? --Dystopos 10:32, 10 June 2010 (PDT)
    • Yes, but Sodisco4 starts today, and I plan on killing lots of brain cells this weekend, so you might have to remind me next week! --Wheresdib 04:36, 11 June 2010 (PDT)

1978 or 1977?

All of your "Context" entries on the 1978 page reference 1977 but they do not match the Context entries on the 1977 page. I am confused. --Wheresdib 14:35, 27 August 2010 (PDT)

  • It's called, "I copied from 1977 and removed all but the beginnings of the sentences, then forgot to change the year as I filled it out." Fixed now. --Lkseitz 14:47, 27 August 2010 (PDT)
  • I figured but wasn't 100% sure. --Wheresdib 14:54, 27 August 2010 (PDT)

Walker Country

  • You had me hoping the typo was on the patch itself. --Dystopos 07:28, 8 March 2011 (PST)
    • Sorry, I'll try to do better next time ;-). --Wheresdib 07:43, 8 March 2011 (PST)


    • Maybe we can do lunch again soon. I need to talk some geocaching stuff with you. --Dystopos 13:03, 4 March 2012 (PST)
      • Just let me know. Baby is due March 22 (Amy will be induced that day). Call my new cell 2oh5-2six1-1oh7nine. --Wheresdib 17:20, 12 March 2012 (PDT)

Beechnut Street

I used "Locations" instead of "Notable locations" because the lodge and the gas station/restaurant are literally the only 2 buildings on the street. --Wheresdib 08:08, 26 November 2012 (PST)

  • Ah, okay. --Lkseitz 10:08, 26 November 2012 (PST)

Overton Park

Now there's a third Overton Park in Mountain Brook. Link. You'll need to update your About templates, I am unfamiliar with them. --Wheresdib 08:23, 19 November 2013 (PST)

  • Since Bhamwiki doesn't let us create templates with a variable number of arguments yet, we just point the last part to the disambiguation page. --Lkseitz 15:08, 19 November 2013 (PST)


  • If you have some time, I'd like to suggest an update to the Malzahn article, too. Now go get that crystal trophy. --Dystopos 07:04, 8 December 2013 (PST)
    • I figured I would update it after the BCS Championship ;) --Wheresdib 09:04, 8 December 2013 (PST)

About template

By jove, I think you've got it! --Lkseitz 07:06, 31 December 2013 (PST)

  • Thanks! It was like a light bulb dimly illuminating over my watermelon-sized head. :) --Wheresdib 08:06, 31 December 2013 (PST)

Secret History

What is "The Secret History of Bhamwiki"? --Wheresdib 14:42, 28 March 2014 (PDT)

  • It's when the cold, hard "truth" is has no value as part of a story. --Dystopos 14:47, 28 March 2014 (PDT)


What does "cowing" mean in the first sentence of List of racially-motivated bombings? --Wheresdib 14:44, 28 March 2014 (PDT)

  • "cow" (v.) cause (someone) to submit to one's wishes by intimidation. --Dystopos 14:47, 28 March 2014 (PDT)

Southern disComfort

Hey, 'Dib, we could probably use and update to the Southern disComfort article if you have a chance. Of course, I'm presuming you know something of the event's status. --Lkseitz 09:44, 2 May 2014 (PDT)


I've made you and Lee administrators. --Dystopos (talk) 07:39, 1 March 2016 (PST)


  • I hope you got the message that kids are welcome to run around in the taproom. Can I expect to see you there Sunday? --Dystopos (talk) 08:04, 9 March 2016 (PST)